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		<title>By: Lifewish</title>
		<link>http://mandikaye.com/2007/11/14/thoughts-on-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-3462</link>
		<dc:creator>Lifewish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Herman: thanks for the summary of your thought processes - that was precisely the information I was after.

As previously advised, I can&#039;t accept your conclusions purely on the basis of this evidence, because (for example) I have no way of confirming that the voice you heard was indeed a divine being. That&#039;s not something I&#039;d be able to take on trust.

From my perspective, the best approach would be if you were able to derive a novel prediction from your model that we could sit down and test. For example, if you could produce any predictions relating to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phylogenetic_tree&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;phylogenetic trees&lt;/a&gt; (inter-species family trees), that would be very easy to test using the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=gene&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Entrez Gene&lt;/a&gt; online database.

If you&#039;re interested in developing the predictive power of your model (and thus convincing a lot of skeptics), please feel free to get in touch with me via my &lt;a href=&quot;http://metasyntactic.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;weblog&lt;/a&gt;.

I must say, I&#039;m impressed by your imaginative solution to the questions posed by the geological column. It beats hydrological sorting hands down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herman: thanks for the summary of your thought processes &#8211; that was precisely the information I was after.</p>
<p>As previously advised, I can&#8217;t accept your conclusions purely on the basis of this evidence, because (for example) I have no way of confirming that the voice you heard was indeed a divine being. That&#8217;s not something I&#8217;d be able to take on trust.</p>
<p>From my perspective, the best approach would be if you were able to derive a novel prediction from your model that we could sit down and test. For example, if you could produce any predictions relating to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phylogenetic_tree" rel="nofollow">phylogenetic trees</a> (inter-species family trees), that would be very easy to test using the <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=gene" rel="nofollow">Entrez Gene</a> online database.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested in developing the predictive power of your model (and thus convincing a lot of skeptics), please feel free to get in touch with me via my <a href="http://metasyntactic.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">weblog</a>.</p>
<p>I must say, I&#8217;m impressed by your imaginative solution to the questions posed by the geological column. It beats hydrological sorting hands down.</p>
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		<title>By: Herman Cummings</title>
		<link>http://mandikaye.com/2007/11/14/thoughts-on-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-3450</link>
		<dc:creator>Herman Cummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok Lifewish, and Terri.  I&#039;ll submit my last post.
                         
Yes, the book answers the questions you asked, but I&#039;ll revisit it here.  I was visiting a church on Easter Sunday in 1990.  A lady asked the pastor in his Sunday School class, &quot;how can I teach my teens about Adam &amp; Eve in the Garden of Eden, while they are being indoctrinated at school about evolution?&quot;.  The pastor only said &quot;just believe the Bible&quot;.  I felt that the pastor was &quot;dodging the issue&quot;, and the lady needed help and she didn&#039;t know where to turn.

So, I decided there and then that I would resolve the so called &quot;creation /evolution debate&quot;, and settle the issue once and for all.  I began reading books about prehistoric man, cosmology, geology, ancient Egypt, Genesis, and every creation book I could find.  I was VERY disappointed in the creation books.  The authors were &quot;apologizing&quot; for the scriptures, and it was obvious that they didn&#039;t understand the text themselves.  Statments such as &quot;we&#039;ll understand it all when we get to Heaven&quot; were positions of ignorance.  So how could they convey the truth to others?  In fact, I didn&#039;t assume that Genesis was true.  I didn&#039;t care if science was wrong, or if Genesis was a big joke.  I was going to expose one or both of them as frauds.

One year later, in February 1991, a revelation came to me...., that Moses wasn&#039;t writing about creation week.  He was describing something else, but I didn&#039;t know what.  The first day was clearly something that occurred after a period of creation, and some sort of  &quot;ruin and restoration&quot; was being documented.  But the fourth day was clearly more than just the &quot;clearing away&quot; of clouds or some other obstruction, which definitely belonged to the early
stages of our universe.  

About every week after that, certain &quot;realizations&quot; I uncovered, but the last piece didn&#039;t come until December 1993, when a voice spoke to me at night in bed, speaking into my mind nine words.  The next day, I went to the library to seek a Hebrew to English translation of Genesis, to confirm what I heard.  After reading again the gospel of John, I was given both the revelation of, and the authority to teach,
the book of Genesis.  The words spoken to me conveyed more than just what could be written in English.  Essentially, I was told that the seven days in Genesis were not contained in the same week (not linear), and that they had a certain order which was revealed in the book of St. John.

Those of you reading of me for the first time, I am the author of the book &quot;Moses Didn&#039;t Write About Creation!&quot;, produced by PublishAmerica.  I am out to educate the public about the prehistoric history of Earth, creation week, and the truth of Genesis.  So with any articles I see in the news (given to me by google alerts), I will either send a letter to the editor or place it in the comments.

Herman Cummings
ephraim7@aol.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Lifewish, and Terri.  I&#8217;ll submit my last post.</p>
<p>Yes, the book answers the questions you asked, but I&#8217;ll revisit it here.  I was visiting a church on Easter Sunday in 1990.  A lady asked the pastor in his Sunday School class, &#8220;how can I teach my teens about Adam &amp; Eve in the Garden of Eden, while they are being indoctrinated at school about evolution?&#8221;.  The pastor only said &#8220;just believe the Bible&#8221;.  I felt that the pastor was &#8220;dodging the issue&#8221;, and the lady needed help and she didn&#8217;t know where to turn.</p>
<p>So, I decided there and then that I would resolve the so called &#8220;creation /evolution debate&#8221;, and settle the issue once and for all.  I began reading books about prehistoric man, cosmology, geology, ancient Egypt, Genesis, and every creation book I could find.  I was VERY disappointed in the creation books.  The authors were &#8220;apologizing&#8221; for the scriptures, and it was obvious that they didn&#8217;t understand the text themselves.  Statments such as &#8220;we&#8217;ll understand it all when we get to Heaven&#8221; were positions of ignorance.  So how could they convey the truth to others?  In fact, I didn&#8217;t assume that Genesis was true.  I didn&#8217;t care if science was wrong, or if Genesis was a big joke.  I was going to expose one or both of them as frauds.</p>
<p>One year later, in February 1991, a revelation came to me&#8230;., that Moses wasn&#8217;t writing about creation week.  He was describing something else, but I didn&#8217;t know what.  The first day was clearly something that occurred after a period of creation, and some sort of  &#8220;ruin and restoration&#8221; was being documented.  But the fourth day was clearly more than just the &#8220;clearing away&#8221; of clouds or some other obstruction, which definitely belonged to the early<br />
stages of our universe.  </p>
<p>About every week after that, certain &#8220;realizations&#8221; I uncovered, but the last piece didn&#8217;t come until December 1993, when a voice spoke to me at night in bed, speaking into my mind nine words.  The next day, I went to the library to seek a Hebrew to English translation of Genesis, to confirm what I heard.  After reading again the gospel of John, I was given both the revelation of, and the authority to teach,<br />
the book of Genesis.  The words spoken to me conveyed more than just what could be written in English.  Essentially, I was told that the seven days in Genesis were not contained in the same week (not linear), and that they had a certain order which was revealed in the book of St. John.</p>
<p>Those of you reading of me for the first time, I am the author of the book &#8220;Moses Didn&#8217;t Write About Creation!&#8221;, produced by PublishAmerica.  I am out to educate the public about the prehistoric history of Earth, creation week, and the truth of Genesis.  So with any articles I see in the news (given to me by google alerts), I will either send a letter to the editor or place it in the comments.</p>
<p>Herman Cummings<br />
<a href="mailto:ephraim7@aol.com">ephraim7@aol.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Buffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Min - I was just wondering where does Jesus use the creation story as fact?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Min &#8211; I was just wondering where does Jesus use the creation story as fact?</p>
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		<title>By: Musicguy</title>
		<link>http://mandikaye.com/2007/11/14/thoughts-on-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-3446</link>
		<dc:creator>Musicguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the revelation was received in a dream after drinking a bottle of PA Dutch Egg Nog.  (Read my recent post and it&#039;ll make sense, then go buy my new book which will tell you all about my blog and how I came to learn about it&#039;s contents.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the revelation was received in a dream after drinking a bottle of PA Dutch Egg Nog.  (Read my recent post and it&#8217;ll make sense, then go buy my new book which will tell you all about my blog and how I came to learn about it&#8217;s contents.)</p>
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		<title>By: Terri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Herman,

Why is it that you feel God has chosen you to reveal this to the world?

How did you receive this revelation?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herman,</p>
<p>Why is it that you feel God has chosen you to reveal this to the world?</p>
<p>How did you receive this revelation?</p>
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		<title>By: techskeptic</title>
		<link>http://mandikaye.com/2007/11/14/thoughts-on-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-3441</link>
		<dc:creator>techskeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh boy.... I see... you got your evidence from the bible to prove your interpretation of the bible. so much for providing evidence...

I&#039;m guessing you got your evidence that god exists because its in the bible, and when you are asked who wrote the bible, your answer is god.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh boy&#8230;. I see&#8230; you got your evidence from the bible to prove your interpretation of the bible. so much for providing evidence&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing you got your evidence that god exists because its in the bible, and when you are asked who wrote the bible, your answer is god.</p>
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		<title>By: Herman Cummings</title>
		<link>http://mandikaye.com/2007/11/14/thoughts-on-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-3439</link>
		<dc:creator>Herman Cummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi again, Lifewish.

The &quot;audit trail&quot; of my quest to uncover Genesis is written in the book, which I will not rewrite here.

But I will include a letter to someone that answers a question which they asked of me.  It concerned the difference between God&#039;s relationship with modern mankind, and that of prehistoric mankind.

*  *  *  *  *

I&#039;m guessing at the nature of your question.  I&#039;m of the opinion that you are aware of the existence of prehistoric man, but am wondering how that relates to God&#039;s present interaction with modern mankind.
 
My first suggestion is that you read &quot;Moses Didn&#039;t Write About Creation&quot;, where all of this is covered and explained in detail.  But since you asked, I&#039;ll try to give you an informative reply.
 
First off, God created our Earth for the habitation of mankind, and our surrounding universe for mankind&#039;s future exploration, in 4.6 Billion BC, according to the geologist.  God put Lucifer in charge of our Earth, as an overseer or &quot;property manager&quot;.
 
Lucifer wanted original mankind (not in the image of God) to worship him.  Mankind refused, and Lucifer got mad, and took his frustrations out on lower life forms that lived in the water.  What secular science views as
&quot;evidence of evolution&quot;, was actually &quot;death by escalation&quot;.  Lucifer had to first learn how to cause death, starting with simple forms before advancing to higher forms (staying with sea life, which was &quot;out of 
sight of mankind).  But God knew what Lucifer was doing.
 
The patterns of extinction I define as evidence of &quot;temper tantrums of Lucifer&quot;, when he couldn&#039;t &quot;get his way&quot;.  God created all life at once, but Lucifer started destroying them ever so often, over millions of years, starting in maybe 640 Million BC.
 
It soon got to the point where Lucifer was tired of any &quot;interference&quot; from God, concerning what Lucifer considered to be &quot;his domain&quot;.  Lucifer decided to rebel against God and try to gain total control.   
However, we know that Lucifer lost his takeover bid, and escaped back to Earth to wage his wrath upon the whole solar system.
 
This would be in 245 Million BC, when Revelation chapter twelve gives a short narrative of what occurred on Earth.  The book gives much more coverage, and details the sequence of events from the planning of the &quot;war in Heaven&quot;, to the aftermath of the great
extinction of the Permian Period.  This ends the first era of mankind on Earth.
 
Restoration Week 1 begins in let&#039;s say 244 Million BC.  Moses was shown Thursday of this week, the day of the creation of sea monsters and birds.  Mankind of this era was made on the sixth day (Friday) of this week, which was not shown to Moses.  This era ends with the extinction of 65 Million BC.
 
Restoration Week 2 begins in about 64 Million BC.  Moses was shown Friday of this week, with the creation of land animals and the making of the mankind of that era.  But in this case, it is the first time that God 
decides to make mankind &quot;in His image&quot;, different from what mankind was created as earlier in Earth&#039;s history (the first two eras).
 
There are seven eras of mankind in all so far.  Each began with restoration (or creation in 4.6 Billion BC), and ended with extinction caused by Satan. 
 
Now I can answer your question.  The only difference between the previous eras of mankind and our own, is that Satan was successful in &quot;taking the birthright&quot; from the first set of humans (Adam and Eve).  Each first set of humans (first male and first female) maintained the law of God and didn&#039;t condemn their offspring.  At some point, Lucifer would either get later generations to do evil (the remains of Neanderthals, homo erectus, etc), or would cause catastrophes, which both scenarios would remove mankind
from the face of the Earth.  Once mankind is no longer on the earth, the &quot;signs&quot; which were given in the heavens (Sun, Moon) go dark.
 
But in our era, the first of modern mankind sinned, and gave control of man&#039;s soul to Satan.  This opened the door for God&#039;s plan to both save modern mankind, and finally destroy Satan once and for all.
 
I hope this helps.

Herman Cummings
ephraim7@aol.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again, Lifewish.</p>
<p>The &#8220;audit trail&#8221; of my quest to uncover Genesis is written in the book, which I will not rewrite here.</p>
<p>But I will include a letter to someone that answers a question which they asked of me.  It concerned the difference between God&#8217;s relationship with modern mankind, and that of prehistoric mankind.</p>
<p>*  *  *  *  *</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing at the nature of your question.  I&#8217;m of the opinion that you are aware of the existence of prehistoric man, but am wondering how that relates to God&#8217;s present interaction with modern mankind.</p>
<p>My first suggestion is that you read &#8220;Moses Didn&#8217;t Write About Creation&#8221;, where all of this is covered and explained in detail.  But since you asked, I&#8217;ll try to give you an informative reply.</p>
<p>First off, God created our Earth for the habitation of mankind, and our surrounding universe for mankind&#8217;s future exploration, in 4.6 Billion BC, according to the geologist.  God put Lucifer in charge of our Earth, as an overseer or &#8220;property manager&#8221;.</p>
<p>Lucifer wanted original mankind (not in the image of God) to worship him.  Mankind refused, and Lucifer got mad, and took his frustrations out on lower life forms that lived in the water.  What secular science views as<br />
&#8220;evidence of evolution&#8221;, was actually &#8220;death by escalation&#8221;.  Lucifer had to first learn how to cause death, starting with simple forms before advancing to higher forms (staying with sea life, which was &#8220;out of<br />
sight of mankind).  But God knew what Lucifer was doing.</p>
<p>The patterns of extinction I define as evidence of &#8220;temper tantrums of Lucifer&#8221;, when he couldn&#8217;t &#8220;get his way&#8221;.  God created all life at once, but Lucifer started destroying them ever so often, over millions of years, starting in maybe 640 Million BC.</p>
<p>It soon got to the point where Lucifer was tired of any &#8220;interference&#8221; from God, concerning what Lucifer considered to be &#8220;his domain&#8221;.  Lucifer decided to rebel against God and try to gain total control.<br />
However, we know that Lucifer lost his takeover bid, and escaped back to Earth to wage his wrath upon the whole solar system.</p>
<p>This would be in 245 Million BC, when Revelation chapter twelve gives a short narrative of what occurred on Earth.  The book gives much more coverage, and details the sequence of events from the planning of the &#8220;war in Heaven&#8221;, to the aftermath of the great<br />
extinction of the Permian Period.  This ends the first era of mankind on Earth.</p>
<p>Restoration Week 1 begins in let&#8217;s say 244 Million BC.  Moses was shown Thursday of this week, the day of the creation of sea monsters and birds.  Mankind of this era was made on the sixth day (Friday) of this week, which was not shown to Moses.  This era ends with the extinction of 65 Million BC.</p>
<p>Restoration Week 2 begins in about 64 Million BC.  Moses was shown Friday of this week, with the creation of land animals and the making of the mankind of that era.  But in this case, it is the first time that God<br />
decides to make mankind &#8220;in His image&#8221;, different from what mankind was created as earlier in Earth&#8217;s history (the first two eras).</p>
<p>There are seven eras of mankind in all so far.  Each began with restoration (or creation in 4.6 Billion BC), and ended with extinction caused by Satan. </p>
<p>Now I can answer your question.  The only difference between the previous eras of mankind and our own, is that Satan was successful in &#8220;taking the birthright&#8221; from the first set of humans (Adam and Eve).  Each first set of humans (first male and first female) maintained the law of God and didn&#8217;t condemn their offspring.  At some point, Lucifer would either get later generations to do evil (the remains of Neanderthals, homo erectus, etc), or would cause catastrophes, which both scenarios would remove mankind<br />
from the face of the Earth.  Once mankind is no longer on the earth, the &#8220;signs&#8221; which were given in the heavens (Sun, Moon) go dark.</p>
<p>But in our era, the first of modern mankind sinned, and gave control of man&#8217;s soul to Satan.  This opened the door for God&#8217;s plan to both save modern mankind, and finally destroy Satan once and for all.</p>
<p>I hope this helps.</p>
<p>Herman Cummings<br />
<a href="mailto:ephraim7@aol.com">ephraim7@aol.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lifewish</title>
		<link>http://mandikaye.com/2007/11/14/thoughts-on-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-3436</link>
		<dc:creator>Lifewish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;When I set to find the truth, I didn’t care if I discovered Genesis to be “just a myth”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It would be helpful if you&#039;d go into more detail on how you found the truth, and what steps you took to confirm that it was indeed the truth. Until you provide that information I will not be able to compare your conclusions about the world with those of other groups (such as mainstream science).

For example, you said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;But by the choice of God, it was revealed to me&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How precisely did God reveal this to you? If it was through direct revelation then we have a problem, because to the best of my knowledge there&#039;s no way to provide an &quot;audit trail&quot; for divine communications. 

As a silly example, if someone told me that the moon was made of green cheese because God told them so, I would reject their belief because I would have no way to confirm that its basis was valid.

By contrast, if your belief is founded on specific evidence, it will be possible for me to check your belief by confirming that your evidence is real and your logic is valid. For example:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Scientifically, it predicts that science will someday soon find evidence of human habitation of Earth that is earlier than 30 million years ago. Once that is done, what happens to the established theory of evolution?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is an extremely good example of a valid scientific prediction - kudos. If you were to make such a prediction, and if that prediction were subsequently found to be accurate, that would be strong evidence in favour of your argument. A few such predictions would be enough to convert me.

At present, it seems fairly unlikely to me that this prediction will be confirmed. The scientific community currently estimates that the human lineage split off from chimpanzees between 8 and 4 million years ago. We have &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msu.edu/~heslipst/contents/ANP440/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a decent number&lt;/a&gt; of fossils going back over 4 million years. You&#039;re saying that humans first appeared over 20 million years before this - why, then, would there be no reflection of this in the fossil record? 

Moreover, why would the genetic evidence appear to show exceptionally close homologies between human and chimp genes if there was no relationship? This relationship currently enjoys the status of a predictive hypothesis - for example, the fact that one human chromosome closely resembles two chimp chromosomes fused together was predicted prior to its &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/chromosome2_big.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;demonstration&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;How many of those, which are now laughing, and think it funny and fashionable to “crack jokes”, would be silenced upon that discovery?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In the interests of fostering mutual understanding, I&#039;d like to point out that most skeptics would change their stance if presented with that discovery. &lt;i&gt;That&#039;s why we feel it&#039;s safe to laugh&lt;/i&gt;: because there are many ways we could be proven drastically wrong, and all of them have repeatedly failed to happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When I set to find the truth, I didn’t care if I discovered Genesis to be “just a myth”.</p></blockquote>
<p>It would be helpful if you&#8217;d go into more detail on how you found the truth, and what steps you took to confirm that it was indeed the truth. Until you provide that information I will not be able to compare your conclusions about the world with those of other groups (such as mainstream science).</p>
<p>For example, you said:</p>
<blockquote><p>But by the choice of God, it was revealed to me</p></blockquote>
<p>How precisely did God reveal this to you? If it was through direct revelation then we have a problem, because to the best of my knowledge there&#8217;s no way to provide an &#8220;audit trail&#8221; for divine communications. </p>
<p>As a silly example, if someone told me that the moon was made of green cheese because God told them so, I would reject their belief because I would have no way to confirm that its basis was valid.</p>
<p>By contrast, if your belief is founded on specific evidence, it will be possible for me to check your belief by confirming that your evidence is real and your logic is valid. For example:</p>
<blockquote><p>Scientifically, it predicts that science will someday soon find evidence of human habitation of Earth that is earlier than 30 million years ago. Once that is done, what happens to the established theory of evolution?</p></blockquote>
<p>This is an extremely good example of a valid scientific prediction &#8211; kudos. If you were to make such a prediction, and if that prediction were subsequently found to be accurate, that would be strong evidence in favour of your argument. A few such predictions would be enough to convert me.</p>
<p>At present, it seems fairly unlikely to me that this prediction will be confirmed. The scientific community currently estimates that the human lineage split off from chimpanzees between 8 and 4 million years ago. We have <a href="http://www.msu.edu/~heslipst/contents/ANP440/" rel="nofollow">a decent number</a> of fossils going back over 4 million years. You&#8217;re saying that humans first appeared over 20 million years before this &#8211; why, then, would there be no reflection of this in the fossil record? </p>
<p>Moreover, why would the genetic evidence appear to show exceptionally close homologies between human and chimp genes if there was no relationship? This relationship currently enjoys the status of a predictive hypothesis &#8211; for example, the fact that one human chromosome closely resembles two chimp chromosomes fused together was predicted prior to its <a href="http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/chromosome2_big.gif" rel="nofollow">demonstration</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>How many of those, which are now laughing, and think it funny and fashionable to “crack jokes”, would be silenced upon that discovery?</p></blockquote>
<p>In the interests of fostering mutual understanding, I&#8217;d like to point out that most skeptics would change their stance if presented with that discovery. <i>That&#8217;s why we feel it&#8217;s safe to laugh</i>: because there are many ways we could be proven drastically wrong, and all of them have repeatedly failed to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Buffy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No Terri my comment was not directed at you!  It&#039;s just something I&#039;ve read on quite a few blogs!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Terri my comment was not directed at you!  It&#8217;s just something I&#8217;ve read on quite a few blogs!</p>
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		<title>By: techskeptic</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry Herman, its still ludicrous.

&lt;i&gt;Scientifically, it predicts that science will someday soon find evidence of human habitation of Earth that is earlier than 30 million years ago. Once that is done, what happens to the established theory of evolution?&lt;/i&gt;

LOL, you are acting as if this so-called, discovery has already happened. 

So what you are saying, is that in the face of the fact that a fossil, of any organism, has never been found in the wrong strata, (i.e. we never found amphibians before fish, mammals before reptiles) somehow man appeared at the same time as dinosaurs despite all the contrary evidence we have now.

And your evidence of this is.....well someday we will find the fossil...god told me.

So there is no evidence, just what god told you. 140 years of gathering evidence and more evidence, without once the fossil record doing something unexpected.

Let me get this right: we should listen to some guy who speaks to his invisible friend or we should listen to 140 years of thousands of scientists who actually study the material and have been throwing stones at this theory for all of that time.

There is a very good reason no serious scientist says there were humans 64 million years ago.

Its because there weren&#039;t, there is no evidence that there were. Anything you say that counters that requires VERY strong physical evidence. Not &quot;god told me&quot;.


and you wonder why i think religion is nonsense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Herman, its still ludicrous.</p>
<p><i>Scientifically, it predicts that science will someday soon find evidence of human habitation of Earth that is earlier than 30 million years ago. Once that is done, what happens to the established theory of evolution?</i></p>
<p>LOL, you are acting as if this so-called, discovery has already happened. </p>
<p>So what you are saying, is that in the face of the fact that a fossil, of any organism, has never been found in the wrong strata, (i.e. we never found amphibians before fish, mammals before reptiles) somehow man appeared at the same time as dinosaurs despite all the contrary evidence we have now.</p>
<p>And your evidence of this is&#8230;..well someday we will find the fossil&#8230;god told me.</p>
<p>So there is no evidence, just what god told you. 140 years of gathering evidence and more evidence, without once the fossil record doing something unexpected.</p>
<p>Let me get this right: we should listen to some guy who speaks to his invisible friend or we should listen to 140 years of thousands of scientists who actually study the material and have been throwing stones at this theory for all of that time.</p>
<p>There is a very good reason no serious scientist says there were humans 64 million years ago.</p>
<p>Its because there weren&#8217;t, there is no evidence that there were. Anything you say that counters that requires VERY strong physical evidence. Not &#8220;god told me&#8221;.</p>
<p>and you wonder why i think religion is nonsense.</p>
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